Thursday, October 16, 2008

 

Joe the Plumber? Nope. Joe the Tax Dodger. Joe the Relative of Charles Keating. Hilarious.

Joe the Plumber appears to be Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.

According to Lucas County, Ohio court records, there is a Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher who has a state income tax lien of $1,182.98. According to the court record he lives on a street that is part of the Lincoln Green subdivision.

And Joe the Plumber's Father appears to be Robert Wurzelbacher right wing fanatic and contributor who is the son in law of..... you're not going to believe this. Charles Keating.

This just gets better and better.

Oh there's also a Joe the Twice Divorced Wife Beater.

And The Joe I Haven't Had a Plumbing License Since 2002.

I wonder which of these will turn out to be the guy doing all the talk shows?

I'm sure we'll know by the end of the day.

****Update: Joe the "undecided voter" appears to be a registered Republican. He voted for McCain in the primary.

*** Update 2: There's another Wurzelbacher. Doug Wurzelbacher. Doug is active in competitive dog sled racing. Guess where he lives? Wasilla, Alaska. What are the odds? I wonder if he's related to "Plumber Joe"?

**** Update 3: So far no evidence on the wife beating accusations. And no evidence that he's related to the Keating Wurzelbacher. However, there are reports today that Joe has cancelled any future interviews. He was set to do the media tour and has decided to go underground. Maybe he's hoping all this will blow over?

These questions need answers.

Comments:
An FYI--

A search on ancestry dot com turns up a Samuel J. Wurzelbacher at some point in the last twenty years living at - get this - 1960 W. KEATING Dr., Mesa, AZ!!!!
 
Oh that's hilarious. I can't wait to see how this plays out.
 
the twice divorced wife-beating thing is being reported on other blogs with cites to this post.

is that to be taken seriously? if so, is there any backup for it?
 
These are very interesting claims, but you don't cite any sources at all. Please do, so that I can reference this blog post in good conscience.
 
these are stupids claims. The word blog is stupid. Being a blogger does not, no matter how many bloggers they bring on main stream media, give you any journalist or investigative credentials. It just makes Americans look stupid that we would even be so caught up in such a trend of ignorance. Ignorance does not only mean to not know what you are talking about, it also mean that one ignores the truth and facts available opposed to doing some actual work of tracking down sources before making ignorant accusations. Who gives a rats A&& about Joe the Plumber anyway. Fools, stop being a puppet to your ignorance.
 
Which is hilarious that you posted as Anonymous...lololololol
 
Anonymous 5:27 is obviously a communist or at least of the collectivist mindset. How can I tell? Because of 'anyonymous's incredibly programmed desire to have all his/her information pre-approved by pro-statist media organs and government contractor corporations like ABC, NBC, CNN, etc. Just like a good little insect, following orders and doing what you're told instead of thinking for yourself like the bloggers he/she hates so much. Uncle Joe Stalin would be proud that his progeny have indeed spread to these shores.
 
What a neat object lesson in the new age of journalism. With a simple Google search, an astroturf narrative unravels within 24 hours.
 
1) Joe is a registered Republican (his name is mistyped in the Lucas County voter file). Here?s the listing, excerpted: ?WORZELBACHER, SAMUEL, JOSEPH, ,1973,08/08/2006,R,355 SHREWSBURY ST , ,HOLLAND,OH,43528″ Source (download Lucas County voter file, then search for '355 Shrewsbury"): http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/cf_ftp/voter_ftp_home?agree_flag=Y#L1481) 2) Joe the Plumber (Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher) was once, apparently, also a wife-beater: http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1 3) Also, bought his home in August 2008, or at least became the sole owner (another divorce?), assessed at $117,100. Source: http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/areissummary/report.aspx?Parcel=6562411

Posted By: JohnREdgell | October 16, 2008 at 11:26 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Joe_file.html?resubmit=1

Here's the link to Schlomo the Plumber and apparently, part time wife beater

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D

There's too many links to Arizona, where Charles Keating pulled off the Savings and Loan scam to be ignored.

Here's some more stuff on Robert W.

Keating In-Law Enters Plea And Will Assist Prosecutors

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON,
Published: May 16, 1992

A son-in-law of Charles H. Keating Jr. pleaded guilty today to three Federal fraud counts in connection with the collapse of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Assocation and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as they pursue their case against Mr. Keating.

The guilty plea was the sixth from executives and business associates of Lincoln and its parent company, but was the first crack in what until now had been a united Keating family defense against the charges in the case.

Mr. Keating and a son, Charles H. Keating 3d, still face an array of fraud and racketeering charges brought against them in a 77-count Federal indictment issued last year. Their trial is scheduled for August in Federal District Court here. Mr. Keating was convicted last year on separate fraud counts in a California state court and is serving a 10-year prison sentence. Bad Loans to a Hotel

The guilty plea today was from Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., who had been a senior vice president of Lincoln's parent company, the American Continental Corporation of Phoenix, and the chief executive of an investment firm owned by Lincoln Savings. Mr. Wurzelbacher, who is 38 years old, is married to the former Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating's daughters.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE6DF173DF935A25756C0A964958260

Duhhh, how's that, Anon, for some dumbass blogger stuff?
 
re: An FYI--

1960 W. Keating Dr in Mesa AZ is a large apartment complex in a development called Dobson Ranch. This development was one of Charles Keating's early successes in the 1970s and the street is named for him.
 
Does anyone find it weird that Palin and Joe the Plumber both had traffic tickets in 1993….within a two week period in a similar area of Alaska?



Not to suggest a conspiracy, but could they have know each other from some place before? Like Jail?



Looks like someone stepped in a big pile of Carl Rove Sh*t….



Offender information

Name:
WURZELBACHER, SAMUEL

Address:
AK

Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Case Filing Date:
8/12/1993

Case Type:
Minor Offense

DOB:
12/1973

SSN:
271-66-XXXX

Sex:
Unknown



Offenses

Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Court Description:
Fourth District - Fairbanks

Court Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Court Statute:
SPEEDING 74/55

Court Disposition Date:
8/16/1993






Offender information

Name:
WURZELBACHER, SAMUEL

Address:
AK

Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Case Filing Date:
8/12/1993

Case Type:
Minor Offense

DOB:
12/1973

SSN:
271-66-XXXX

Sex:
Unknown



Offenses

Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Court Description:
Fourth District - Fairbanks

Court Case Number:
4FA-93-T709107

Court Statute:
SPEEDING 74/55

Court Disposition Date:
8/16/1993







Alaska Court:
Name: SARAH HEATH PALIN
SSN: 574-60-xxxx
State of Origin: Alaska
DOB: 2/11/1964
Case Number: 3DI-93-00249CR0001
Court Description: Third District - Dillingham
Court Case Number: 3DI-93-00249CR0001
Court Statute: CRIM NEG FAIL REG NT
Court Disposition: No Contest Plea
Court Disposition Date: 8/25/1993
Court Level/Degree: Violation

Case Number: 3PA-04-11212MO
Court Description: Third District - Palmer
Court Case Number: 3PA-04-11212MO
Court Statute: Tinted Windows
Court Disposition Date: 11/2/2004

Case Number: 3PA-93-T724502
Court Description: Third District - Palmer
Court Case Number: 3PA-93-T724502
Court Statute: Speeding
Court Disposition Date: 5/27/1993



Offender information

Name:
PALIN MS, SARAH H

Address:
AK

Case Number:
3DI-93-00217CR0001

Case Filing Date:
6/28/1993

Case Type:
State

DOB:
2/1964

SSN:
574-60-XXXX



Offenses

Case Number:
3DI-93-00217CR0001

Court Description:
Third District - Dillingham

Court Case Number:
3DI-93-00217CR0001

Court Statute:
C/F W/O PHOTO ID

Court Disposition:
Dismiss

Court Disposition Date:
8/25/1993

Court Level/Degree:
Misdemeanor
 
What is the motivation for digging up "dirt" on this guy? Do you really feel good about using the privacy-smashing technology that is the Internet to slander or attempt to discredit this guy? Or is it just your overly-emotional reaction to some dude asking a tough campaign platform question of the leading Messianic candidate? Keep digging and maybe you'll finally find some education and enlightenment instead of some white guy's dirty laundry. But somehow I doubt it.
 
What is the motivation for digging up "dirt" on this guy?
He's obviously a low level political operative. There are too many "coincidences" to believe otherwise.
 
The "motivation" is the fact that the Republicans are PLAYING DIRTY - but then again, what's new?
 
Don't know how this will format but here's the link from PrivateEye.com to verify the relationship of Samuel Joe to Robert Lee and provide confirmation of his Mesa, AZ location.

http://www.privateeye.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Samuel&mn=&ln=Wurzelbacher&city=&state=OH&criteria=Samuel;;;;Wurzelbacher;;;;OH;;;;;;
 
Hey Tieff:

You from Ohio by any chance?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Misconceptions_of_Obama_fuel_Republican_campaign_1016.html

Maybe a white guy like me doesn't like being manipulated and tricked by anyone, white, hispanic, asian or black...

Nah, I must simply be caught up in the whole messianic-ness of it all, right?

Love to see your reaction to the film clip.

White Guy
 
Barack Obama was the one that found Joe the Plumber going door-to-door in Ohio. Obama picked him to ask a question to in front of a camera crew, to which Obama answered to about raising taxes for higher income households on camera.

That's the only reason McCain kept bringing it up. Ohio is a contested state, and Obama was recorded on camera. Which is also the same reason Joe kept being mentioned: Obama and McCain kept arguing whether it would be better to raise or not raise Joe the Plumbers taxes.
 
The Republican dirty tricksters are in this Joe the Plumber thing up to their necks, trying to fan the flames of racism.

Like Joe referring to Obama as being as shifty on his feet as Sammy Davis Jr., another black man.

Sammy Davis Jr.?

Clearly aimed at the elderly, who tend to vote in large numbers, a comment designed to conjure race riots in the 1960's.

You don't want one of them in office

You know what those people are like

When they're not picking your pocket, they'll be tossing watermelon rinds and chicken bones on the WH lawn.

VOTE McCain, I'll protect you from those dusky skinned hordes
 
John McCain mentioned Joe the Plumber 22 times during a presidential debate. That's why everyone wants to know who this guy is.

That's why people are "digging up dirt." If he didn't have dirt, there would be nothing to find. It's been found. Sorry Joe, John McCain shouldn't have used you as his platform during a presidential debate.

Secondly, the fact that John McCain has made Joe the Plumber a centerpiece of his campaign speaks volumes about the kind of man John McCain is.

Let's pretend that Joe the Plumber's question to Obama was a real question. We know it wasn't, but let's pretend.

Joe wants to buy a business that makes $280,000 a year. And he's complaing that under Obama's tax plan, he has to pay more taxes. And it's true, if Joe's business earns $280,000 Net Income (not Gross but Net, then Joe would have to pay 39% tax on income above $250,000 and 36% on everything below $250,000 a year.

For those of you that don't understand I'll spell out the math for you. Under Obama's plan, Joe would have to pay $900 more in taxes. A man who takes home a quarter million dollar a year income is complaining about socialism because he has to pay an extra $900?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. I'll say that again for all you fucking pussies crying about socialism. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

And John McCain thinks this is worth mentioning 22 times during a presidential debate?

A man who owns 7 houses and 13 cars is taking up the cause of a guy who makes a quarter of a million dollars a year over $900 dollars?

And you guys don't get why that's important? Did you guys take a really hard blow to the head as children?
 
Contrary to what some people are trying to spin, that Obama found this guy, this story in the New York Times shows Joe sought out Obama.

But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on Shrewsbury Street on Sunday, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay taxes as he reached a point where he could afford to buy his own plumbing business, one he said would draw income of $250,000 a year.

Unlike some other states, Ohio does not have a formal statewide licensing system for plumbers. But the city of Toledo and other municipalities do, Mr. Joseph said, and Mr. Wurzelbacher has not met those requirements.

“All contractors are licensed, and he does not have a license, either as a contractor or a plumber,” the union official said, citing a search of government records. “I can’t find that he’s ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page.”

According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,000, one of which — a personal tax lien — is still outstanding.

Mr. Wurzelbacher is registered to vote in Lucas County under the name Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?em

Let's see, he's a tax dodger and ignores the law to make a buck.

Yep, I bet he'll vote Republican.

Joe should be working on Wall Street.

Either the Republican Dirty Tricksters are getting lazy or arrogant to the point of being sloppy.
 
1. Obama took over a $100,000, more than any other Senator, from Fannie Mae to turn his head the other way when they made questionable loans.
2. Obama slipped in a $1,000,000 ear mark onto a bill for the hospital where his wife works so she would be promoted and salary raised 159%.
3. Obama received a $300,000 discount on his home from convicted criminal Rezko. In exchange Obama provided Rezko $13,000,000 in public funds.
 
Sorry, ANON, the cat's out of the bag about Joe the Plumber and the obvious and sloppy attempt by the Republicans to make Joe a cause célèbre.

They probably had a nationwide tour planned for Joe, with plenty of references to other blacks who are as shifty as Sammie Davis Jr. was on his feet.

Say, ANON, can you confirm if the Joe below, which appears to be the same as Joe the Plumber, if that wife beater and your friendly neighborhood plumber are on and the same?

1) Joe is a registered Republican (his name is mistyped in the Lucas County voter file). Here?s the listing, excerpted: ?WORZELBACHER, SAMUEL, JOSEPH, ,1973,08/08/2006,R,355 SHREWSBURY ST , ,HOLLAND,OH,43528″ Source (download Lucas County voter file, then search for '355 Shrewsbury"): http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/cf_ftp/voter_ftp_home?agree_flag=Y#L1481) 2) Joe the Plumber (Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher) was once, apparently, also a wife-beater: http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1 3) Also, bought his home in August 2008, or at least became the sole owner (another divorce?), assessed at $117,100. Source: http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/areissummary/report.aspx?Parcel=6562411

Better give a call to the DICK, Cheney are see if he has anymore false-flag attacks planned against the US.

Those always take people's minds of Republican crimes, misdeeds and planned crimes.
 
Joe the, who the hell cares? It does not matter who Joe votes for. George Wallace said it best, "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Patriot Act, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook, warrant-less wiretapping and opening private mail. They are both guilty of treason.
Clean them all out and save this great nation.
 
No, I'm not from Ohio. I live in California, born and raised.. And it's only too sad that simple-minded little Americans are freely speaking their minds and voicing their discomforts, however baseless they may be.. But I'm comforted that it's going to be the job of Barack Obama and this blog to judge and correct their behavior. Those people are too misinformed and xenophobic to be trusted with voting. So Obama/Biden have proposed, as did Bill Clinton during his presidency, to tap the retirement funds of both working and retired persons. And to raise income taxes a little (3%). And to determine which businesses meet the "green" standard, and tax them accordingly. And to impose an "Anti-Global Poverty Tax". And finally to "spread the wealth around" by spending plenty of money attempting to legislate away all the lingering poverty and racism in America.

Hell. He's got my Blue State opinion all wrapped up, I guess.
 
These three claims have been debunked so much it's ridiculous, but I'll do it again just for sport. My question to you ANON is why must you guys make shit up to win an election? Oh, because you know you can't compete on IDEAS.

1. Obama took over a $100,000, more than any other Senator, from Fannie Mae to turn his head the other way when they made questionable loans.

In the current election cycle, Sen. McCain has received $169,000 from the mortgage companies and their affiliates. Two of the top contributors -- Freddie Mac's board member Geoffrey T. Boisi and Fannie Mae lobbyist Richard F. Hohlt -- are listed on McCain's Web site as bundlers who've raised between $100,000-$250,000 for McCain.

McCain's campaign also has a few more direct connections with the companies. For example, the Times notes that McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, was also previously "head of the Homeownership Alliance, a coalition of banks and housing industry interests led by Fannie and Freddie to stave off regulations."

Meanwhile, Sen. Obama has received $122,850 from the Fannie and Freddie's employees and PACs since coming in office. Even though Obama has only been in the Senate since 2005, only one other colleague, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-CT), has received more from the same source over the past decade.

And of course, Obama's one-time VP selection chief, Jim Johnson, is a former CEO of Fannie Mae. (Johnson ended his involvement with Obama's campaign after criticism of his role at Fannie Mae.)

And John McCain's Senior Campaign Advisor's firm has been paid $15,000 a month as a lobbyist for Fannie and Freddie through September 2008.

2. Obama slipped in a $1,000,000 ear mark onto a bill for the hospital where his wife works so she would be promoted and salary raised 159%.

Interesting how that works. She got the raise BEFORE her husband was elected to the Senate. Before he earmarked $1,000,000 to the largest university in his home state. But it's a scandal? Give me a break. If you want to talk scandal, lets talk about Cindy McCain stealing prescription drugs from HER OWN CHARITY. That's an ugly story.

3. Obama received a $300,000 discount on his home from convicted criminal Rezko. In exchange Obama provided Rezko $13,000,000 in public funds.

Not true. Obama bought his house. He then bought a ten foot stretch of yard from the Rezko's who owned the property next door. The ten foot stretch of yard was 1/6th of the property owned by the Rezko's. And Obama paid 1/6th of the price the Rezko's paid for the property.

And if you want to hear about sweetheart deals, you really should look into a guy named Charles Keating. Ask McCain about how many times he flew to the Bahamas at no cost for vacation with good old Chuck.

Here's FactCheck.Org's take on all this garbage you've spewed:

McCain's ad opens by turning Obama's housing problem attack back on Obama. The narrator says Chicago real estate developer Tony Rezko, one of Obama's "biggest fundraisers" helped Obama buy his "million-dollar mansion" by purchasing property that Obama couldn't afford. The ad goes on to charge that Obama helped Rezko receive "political favors" including "$14 million from taxpayers," and it points out that Rezko is now a convicted felon.

It's untrue that Rezko got "$14 million from taxpayers" for himself, as the ad seems to be saying. The "help" to which it refers is a one-page letter Obama signed in October 1998 urging the city housing commissioner to support an apartment project for low-income senior citizens. A copy went to the state housing development authority. The 97-unit Cottage View Terrace, which opened in 2002, was funded with taxpayer money, and Tony Rezko was involved in developing the project.

But the deal did not put $14 million into Rezko's pocket. That figure represents the total development cost for the project. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Rezko and his partner, Allison Davis, netted about $855,000. That's not pocket change, but it's a far cry from $14 million. And the tenants of the building benefited too.

Moreover, the ad's claim that Obama wrote the letter as a favor to Rezko is without factual support. Both men deny that Rezko asked Obama to write them, and Obama says his district office frequently sent letters supporting "worthy" community projects, so routinely that "I wasn't even aware that we wrote the letter." Rezko's attorney, Joseph Duffy, told the Sun-Times in 2007 that "Mr. Rezko never spoke with, nor sought a letter from, Senator Obama in connection with that project." And Obama told Sun-Times reporters in a March 2008 interview:

Obama (March 15, 2008): [He] did not solicit that from me. ... This was a project that was well-regarded in the community, has done well, and was supported on its own merits, and it was essentially a form letter of the sort that I did all [the] time.

Can support for a low-income housing project be a "favor" to the developer if the developer didn't ask for it? You decide.

Million-Dollar Mansion

As for that claim about Rezko helping Obama buy his house, well, we've dealt with that one before. The gist of the story: In 2005, Barack and Michelle Obama found a house that they wanted to purchase. The property had been divided into two parcels, one containing a house and the other undeveloped land. The owner had listed the properties separately. After considerable haggling, the seller accepted the Obamas' third bid of $1.65 million for the parcel containing the house. Tony Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining lot for $625,000.

When the Obamas wanted to increase the size of their yard, they approached the Rezkos about purchasing a strip of the adjacent parcel. Obama told the Sun-Times that a 10-foot strip of the 60-foot lot appraised for $40,000. The Obamas nevertheless paid Rita $104,500 (or 1/6 of the total purchase price of her lot) for the strip. In 2007, Rita sold the remaining lot for $575,000 (or roughly a $54,500 profit on the overall property).

McCain's ad, however, is worded in a way that could leave a false impression. It says Rezko "helped him buy his million-dollar mansion" by "purchasing part of the property he couldn't afford." That's true, but only because the seller wanted to sell the two parcels as a unit and the Obamas couldn't afford both. Rezko did not make a gift of any property to the Obamas. Furthermore, the fact that his wife sold her lot for more than she paid for it contradicts any suggestion that the Rezkos overpaid for their part of the deal as a way of getting the seller to lower the price to the Obamas for their part.
 
Does Joe the Plumber know Sarah Palin?

He said he was born in the Toledo area, lived until he was 13 in the Florida Panhandle area, went to Springfield High School, and then entered the U.S. Air Force. He was stationed at an Air Force base in Alaska from 1992 until 1995. He said he was honorably discharged.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418/-1/NEWS

This is getting beyond bizarre.

No wonder Joe called off the media tour, there were too many dangling threads and coincidences lying about.

One Alaskan AF base is Elmendorf, only FOURTEEN miles from Sarah's town of Wasilla.
 
OOPS, correction to that last entry.. small one.

The RV site listed Elmendorf as being 14 miles from Wasilla.

YAHOO maps says it's 44 miles.

Of course, Elmendorf is a huge base, so that might account for the discrepancy.

Sorry.
 
Hola, Nonnymouse2! I'm going to guess that you're kneejerk-voting Repugnican, because you're either a fool, a dupe, or a liar: here's your precious America Deceived... on Amazon.com!

http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-E-Blayre-III/dp/0595385230/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224278070&sr=1-1
 
Thanks for publishing Joe W's home address! I'm sending the man a personal check ASAP to help a fellow Air Force veteran pay his tax bill. I think it's disgusting how the media and bloggers have piled on with personal attacks and IGNORED the issue. Senator Government wants to play Robber Hood and take personal wealth from one class and "spread it" to another class. Hello, Senator Socialist! I will gladly write a check to help Joe before Senator Government taxes it out of my control. And I will NOT forget how Senator Government wants to "spread the wealth" when I go into the privacy of the polling booth. Go John and Sarah!!!
 
Joe the Plumber explained:

http://www.comicdisbelief.com/Comic.aspx?comicid=9
 
Well, hey, Anonymous 7:13, that's mighty kind of you !

So you'll help Joe pay his back taxes?

The total is $1,178, what percentage do you plan to kick in?


BTW, socialist? It's funny you should mention that, given the current Bail-Out Mark II plan.


Although the appearance fee from Katy Couric should cover most of the lien.
 
You leftist people do alot of research to look up an average american, why don't you research your precious Obama.

Update 1: He supports a federal ban on concealed carry laws, your rights out the window (www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/30/obama-audio-i-want-to-ban-concealed-weapons-permits/)

Update 2: Obama having dinner with terrorists. (http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/breaking-transcript-of-obama-khalidi-tape/)
 
I wish we knew half as much about Obama!

Poor Joe. Next time, he'll know to keep his mouth shut and not ask silly questions of our Dear Leaders.
 
I am sure the Joe plumber lost his two weeks pay check. He better ask John Maccine to pay his stupid news conf and time. What's a dum guy he is Joe , the plumber. On top of this people asking his autograph. This dude does not have his life figured out even no education and now he is talking about running US office. Can someone give him advise
 
I don't actually agree with Joe, but leave the guy alone. Ripping on him just is silly. Hes just a regular person, like you and me who happened to answer a question on national TV...
 
No matter what they say, Kep on doing your business. Plumbing job is the best that you can offer your service.
 
Are you sure this is grey PEX, or could it be PBP tubing? For the shower head, either will work but many like the rigidity of copper pipe. Regarding the drain, I'm sure you have ABS black drain lines, so if the new drain doesn't match up exactly, it is an easy fix to cut it out and replace, if necessary.
 
Many thanks, I completely agree with what you posted about.
Water Meter Installation
 
Plumbers play an important role in helping people make sure their plumbing systems are well-maintained and operating properly.

Plumber Prahran
 
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